Crazy Wisdom
Episode #578: Slow Art in a Scroll Economy: Gage on Rebuilding San Francisco’s Art Soul
- Creativity & Craft
- San Francisco
- art scene
- mass art
- incubation program
- interdisciplinary arts
- classical art
- neo-Renaissance
- Michelangelo
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About this episode
In this episode of the Crazy Wisdom Podcast, host Stewart Alsop sits down with Gage to explore the intersection of classical art and San Francisco's tech scene. Gage, who describes his work as "neo-Renaissance" art—imagining what Michelangelo might create if he were from the nineties—discusses his mission to revive interdisciplinary arts in San Francisco through Mass Art and an incubation program aimed at putting the city back on the cultural map. The conversation ranges from the loss of craft training in modern art schools and the failure of traditional institutions to the challenges of creating meaningful work in an algorithm-driven culture that prioritizes immediate gratification over pieces that take years to complete. Gage shares his experiences running the Arts and Music Floor at Frontier Tower, organizing events like the Peptide Rave and UFB robot boxing, and his broader vision for breaking down the silos between San Francisco's tech community and its artists by creating immersive experiences that help each group understand and value what the other has to offer.
Key Insights
1. San Francisco is experiencing a significant decline in arts institutions, with no long-running art schools remaining as of September, including the closure of CCA which will reopen with reduced capacity under Vanderbilt investment. This institutional failure represents a fundamental break from the Renaissance workshop model where artists learned under masters in multi-year apprenticeships, creating a situation where most talented painters today are entirely self-taught through lengthy trial and error rather than structured mentorship.
2. The Renaissance emerged from a rediscovery of Greek and Roman culture following the Dark Ages, when artists relearned three-point perspective and mathematical principles that had been completely lost. This pattern reveals that art quality directly correlates with cultural golden ages, and conversely, periods of cultural decline produce noticeably inferior artwork. The Renaissance succeeded because craftsman culture was rebuilt through workshops where young artists spent their entire lives developing skills, supported by substantial church funding and a society that valued beauty as essential to the good life.
3. Modern art education has shifted from craft to ideation, creating work that is primarily referential to previous art movements rather than emerging from personal creative exploration. Since modernism and Picasso's break with pre-modern art, each subsequent movement has largely been about reacting against the previous generation rather than developing unique perspectives. This results in art that lacks the depth that comes from spending years with a single piece, developing personal symbolic language, and filtering diverse influences through an individual creative lens that requires substantial time investment to develop.
4. The fundamental disconnect between San Francisco's tech community and arts community stems from tech workers' lack of exposure to humanities during their training, not from any inherent antagonism. When tech professionals are given simple art experiences like live painting with jazz bands and projection mapping, they respond with profound enthusiasm because they have never had context for understanding art's value. Breaking down this silo requires welcoming tech people into art spaces and providing experiential context that demonstrates art's meaning and impact.
5. Large-scale art events serve as highly effective and inexpensive vehicles for making technology meaningful to regular people, as demonstrated by events like the Peptide Rave and UFB robot boxing which achieved New York Times coverage with budgets under ten thousand dollars. These events function as trojan horses that allow tech companies to gain visibility where people actually engage with their work in meaningful ways. When artists lead experience design without excessive steering from tech companies, they create novel presentations that draw attention and make potentially scary technologies feel accessible and interesting to broad audiences.
6. Modern algorithmic culture has fragmented attention away from the mass simultaneous experiences of radio and television eras, making inspiration more decentralized and preventing cultural movements from reaching hundreds of millions of people at once. The most popular content creators today, primarily streamers and YouTubers, largely produce commentary rather than truly creative work, representing cult of personality where people outsource their thinking rather than cultivating their own creative experiences. This shift away from music and traditional arts as the primary cool factor for young people represents a cyclical change in how cultural trends move through society.
7. Genuine creativity emerges from living a full life while intentionally engaging with people completely different from yourself, rather than from algorithmic averaging machines like LLMs which produce essentially mediocre output because they calculate the most likely next thing rather than exploring edges and extremes where interesting ideas live. The secret to novel ideas involves spending substantial time developing personal craft, creating your own symbolic language through repeated practice, and combining diverse influences and personal experiences into something unique to you. The current social and financial environment makes this difficult because proper incentives are not set for people to deeply explore what they genuinely want to do and are interested in creating.
Timestamps
00:00 Stewart introduces Gage who runs Mass Art, an interdisciplinary arts incubation program working to put San Francisco back on the map for creativity and art.
05:00 Gage explains his neo-renaissance approach inspired by Michelangelo, creating figurative symbolic works that take years to complete, contrasting with San Francisco's algorithm-driven immediacy culture.
10:00 Discussion of how renaissance movements began with artists like da Vinci inspiring new science and perspective, and how art schools no longer teach craft, leaving most talented painters self-taught.
15:00 Exploring how art movements since modernism became referential reactions, from Picasso breaking conventions through Mondrian's lines to mannerism's chaotic compositions reflecting societal shifts.
20:00 Gage discusses how inspiration moved from music to streamers and YouTubers, noting most influential figures aren't doing creative work but commentary, creating cult of personality without cultivating personal creative experience.
25:00 Renaissance workshops and church funding enabled masterworks, while San Francisco tech money stays siloed from arts because tech workers lack humanities context and experience with creative processes.
30:00 Stewart shares robot dog project plans combining ESP32 sensors for dance workshops and capture games, discussing Dan Deacon's interactive performances and projection mapping possibilities.
35:00 Debating LLMs as averaging machines versus edge-case creativity, emphasizing hanging out with different people as secret to genuine creative ideas rather than staying in siloed communities.
40:00 Frontier Tower's 16-story community of communities housed different disciplines per floor, with Gage running Arts and Music as DIY space to bridge tech and artist worlds.
45:00 Mass Art's successful events like Peptide Rave and UFB robot boxing gained New York Times coverage by making technology meaningful through art design on under 10k budgets.
50:00 Robotics art discussion covering kinetic sculptures and viral piece of robot squeegee-ing its own oil blood, exploring how to make tech feel human and transform fear into joy through performance.
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Episode transcript
Welcome to the Crazy Wisdom Podcast. I've got Gage here, and he is doing something called mass art and... Which is kind of like, in addition to that, there's also an incubation program in San Francisco putting SF back on the map for art. And it's interdisciplinary arts, which is straight up my alley. How are you doing today?
I'm doing well, Stewart. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, and, it's a pleasure to be here.
So art in San Francisco, man. So the first time I remember, art in San Francisco. Man. so I moved there first in 1997, and was blown away by the creativity of the of the city, like the art, the music, everything. Now what are you working on?
where are you taking this? What kind... You're doing classical art. what what is classical art?
so I think in a in a big way, the kind of stuff I'm I'm doing personally is inspired by, you know, like, neo Renaissance movements. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to go for, like, if Michelangelo was from the nineties. You know? So it's a lot of figurative stuff.
It's a lot of symbolic stuff that uses the figure and, you know, the kind of stuff that takes several years to finish sometimes. m. And so it's interesting in in juxtaposition to the way that San Francisco's culture is because San Francisco is very immediate in the things that it's looking for almost always. And, you know, algorithms tend to solve for, hey. Show me a new thing every day.
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