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Episode #476: More Than Magic: Astrology as the Oldest Data Science
- Astrology
- Hellenistic Greece
- ninth century Persians
- Baghdad
- translation project
- Benjamin Dykes
- Latin
- Arabic
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Timestamps
- 00:00Stewart Alsop introduces C.T. Lucero; they begin discussing time cycles and the metaphor of Monday as an unfolding future.
- 05:00Astrology’s historical roots in Hellenistic Greece and Persian Baghdad; the transmission and recovery of ancient texts.
- 10:00The role of astrology in medicine and timing; predictive precision and interpreting symbolic calendars.
- 15:00Scientism vs. astrological knowledge; the objective reliability of planetary movement compared to shifting cultural narratives.
- 20:00Use of AI and large language models in astrology; the limits and future potential of automation in interpretation.
- 25:00Western vs. Vedic astrology; the sidereal vs. tropical zodiac debate and cultural preservation of techniques.
- 30:00Christianity, astrology, and the problem of idolatry; Jesus' position in relation to celestial knowledge.
- 35:00The Saturn-Jupiter conjunction of 2020; vaccine rollout and election disputes as symbolic markers.
- 40:00The Mayan Venus calendar and its eight-year cycle; 2020 as the true “end of the world.”
- 45:00Media manipulation, air-age metaphors, and digital vs. analog paradigms; the rise of new empires.
- 50:00Astrocartography and relocation charts; using place to understand personal missions.
- Astrology as a Temporal Framework: C.T. Lucero presents astrology not as mysticism but as a sophisticated calendar system rooted in observable planetary cycles. He compares astrological timekeeping to how we intuitively understand days of the week—Sunday indicating rest, Monday bringing activity—arguing that longer astrological cycles function similarly on broader scales.
- Historical Continuity and Translation: The episode traces astrology’s lineage from Hellenistic Greece through Persian Baghdad and into modernity. Lucero highlights the massive translation efforts over the past 30 years, particularly by figures like Benjamin Dykes, which have recovered lost knowledge and corrected centuries of transcription errors, contributing to what he calls astrology’s third golden age.
- Cultural and Linguistic Barriers to Knowledge: Lucero and Alsop discuss how language borders—historically with Latin and Greek, and now digitally with regional languages—have obscured access to valuable knowledge. This extends to old medical practices and astrology, which were often dismissed simply because their documentation wasn’t widely accessible.
- Astrology vs. Scientism: Lucero critiques scientism for reducing prediction to material mechanisms while ignoring symbolic and cyclical insights that astrology offers. He stresses astrology’s predictive power lies in pattern recognition and contextual interpretation, not in deterministic forecasts.
- Astrology and the Digital Age: AI and LLMs are starting to assist astrologers by generating interpretations and extracting planetary data, though Lucero points out that deep symbolic synthesis still exceeds AI's grasp. Specialized astrology AIs are emerging, built by domain experts for richer, more accurate analysis.
- Reevaluating Vedic and Mayan Systems: Lucero asserts that Western and Vedic astrology share a common origin, and even the Mayan Venus calendar may reflect the same underlying system. While the Indian tradition preserved techniques lost in the West, both traditions illuminate astrology’s adaptive yet consistent core.
- 2020 as a Historical Turning Point: According to Lucero, the Saturn-Jupiter conjunction of December 2020 marked the start of a 20-year societal cycle and the end of a Mayan Venus calendar “day.” He links this to transformative events like the vaccine rollout and U.S. election, framing them as catalysts for long-term shifts in trust, governance, and culture.
Episode transcript
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Welcome to the Crazy Wisdom Podcast. I've got C T Lucero here and you can find more about him from ctlucero.com welcome to the show.
So we are here to talk about a lot of things. I think you've been sharing some really interesting insights into the future and also the past. You said that you've been kind of waiting for this time for about seven years. Can you go more into how you look at the future as it relates to the present?
Well, the. It's a tricky question how to look at the future as to the present? Well, what happens is that time is formed in a certain way and there are cyclical patterns to that. So in the same way that each week you have Monday through Sunday, you know what's going to happen on Sunday versus what's going to happen on Monday. And so that's really the most simplified way to think about how I'm looking at time. And so the present and the future are measurable through that way because it's Sunday and you know that you're not going to work today, the football game's on, you're going to church, whatever. And so it just happens that these time periods are much longer and they're stacked on top of each other and a lot more complicated. But we do know that today is Sunday, and therefore tomorrow's Monday and Monday is a hectic day. And so there's a lot to think about related to that. And so we've known Monday was coming for quite a while. I personally knew about it going back to about 2018, I think, is when I first really investigated this particular Monday. And it's very interesting to be looking at it now and understanding how it's going to unfold.
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