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Episode #104: 36,000 Companies, One Metric: What DPI Did to Private Equity

Episode #104 · August 27, 2026 · 1h 8m

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About this episode

In this episode of the Stewart Squared podcast, host Stewart Alsop sits down with his father Stewart Alsop II to unpack how private equity, venture capital, and growth equity have evolved—and possibly converged—since the 2008 financial crisis. They explore how massive liquidity injections in 2020 fueled a PE buying spree, why the distinctions between investment categories are blurring as everyone gets measured by the same metrics (DPI—distributions per investment), and whether the whole system is starting to break down. The conversation touches on everything from SPACs making a comeback to Elon Musk's SpaceX IPO, the financialization of restaurants, and how even the meaning of terms like "bank" and "cash" are shifting in real time. In the final segment, they bring on surprise guest Tommy Yu, CEO and founder of TurnOn Technologies, to discuss closed-loop payment systems, stored value, and why traditional finance people struggle to see beyond Visa and Mastercard logos even when companies like Starbucks are sitting on $2 billion in unredeemed gift card float.

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and experimental format with a surprise guest, discussing private equity shifts from 2008 through 2023 and massive liquidity changes fueling PE buyouts
05:00 Historical perspective on venture capital evolution starting from the seventies, pension fund rule changes allowing risky investments, and the emergence of hedge funds and private equity differentiation
10:00 Growth equity versus private equity distinctions, SPACs making a comeback after previous failures, and the shrinking number of public companies from 7000 to 4000
15:00 The fundamentals of capitalism and time value of money, government money printing increasing liquidity, and how pension funds now invest heavily in alternative assets
20:00 DPI measurement becoming universal across all investment types, distinguishing between realized and unrealized gains, and how capital calling works in venture funds
25:00 Limited partnerships structure in venture capital, restaurant investments as different from tech startups, and Main Street versus Silicon Valley business models
30:00 Pension funds controlling massive percentages of national assets, asset allocation strategies across different investment vehicles, and everything being measured the same way now
35:00 How institutional definitions are breaking down, terms losing their original meanings, banks becoming something entirely different, and companies essentially functioning as banks themselves
40:00 Chinese centralized system appearing more effective than Western capitalism currently, enlightened dictatorship efficiency, and how professional attention demands are increasing dramatically
45:00 Vibe coding distinctions and keeping up with changing terminology, inviting guest Tommy Yu to discuss his fintech company TurnOn Technologies and stored value systems
50:00 Liberty Mutual's restaurant investment treating food as tradable assets, closed loop versus open loop systems like Starbucks' 8 billion dollar gift card float earning interest
55:00 Regulation falling behind fintech innovation, crypto remaining largely unregulated, and how intelligent investors can differentiate when everyone's doing the same thing
60:00 TurnOn Technologies creating universal stored value systems beyond single companies, neobanks as digital tellers, and younger generations caring more about user experience than traditional banking

Key Insights

1. The venture capital and private equity landscape has fundamentally transformed since the seventies when pension funds were first allowed to invest in risky alternative assets. What began as distinct categories with different purposes and metrics has now blurred together, with all investment types being measured by the same standard called DPI or distributions per investment dollar. This measures how quickly investors get their capital back in cash, and the problem is that venture capital now takes fifteen plus years to return capital compared to the historical five to ten years, making it less attractive when banks offer five percent and public markets offer ten percent returns.
2. Private equity has exploded to encompass over thirty six thousand companies in the United States, far exceeding the roughly four thousand public companies that exist today, down from seven thousand in nineteen ninety six. This represents a massive shift where the ownership layer has moved increasingly into private hands, with companies staying private longer and accessing capital through growth equity and private equity rather than going public. The lines between venture capital, growth equity, and private equity have become so blurred that even experienced investors struggle to articulate meaningful differences between these categories.
3. The financial system is becoming increasingly opaque and unregulated despite the perception that finance is highly regulated. New categories like private credit have emerged as what some consider cesspools of activity that regulators cannot keep pace with or even understand. The regulatory framework has fallen so far behind the actual innovations in fintech, crypto, and alternative investments that there is effectively no meaningful oversight in many areas, creating opportunities for both innovation and potential abuse that would have been impossible in previous eras.
4. The fundamental terms and definitions that underpin capitalism are changing so rapidly that experienced investors and business people can no longer rely on historical understanding. What constitutes a bank, what money actually means, what liquidity represents, and even what a company is have all shifted dramatically. Cash itself has become metaphorical rather than physical, and businesses are increasingly functioning as their own banks by holding stored value and earning interest on customer deposits, as demonstrated by Starbucks running eight billion dollars through gift cards with two billion in unredeemed float.
5. The Chinese communist system under Xi Jinping is currently working better for its people than the capitalist system is working for citizens of capitalist countries, creating an existential challenge to the assumption that capitalism is the superior economic model. This represents a historic shift where an enlightened dictatorship with strategic central planning is outperforming the chaotic and unpredictable leadership in capitalist democracies. The comparison suggests that the ideological certainty about capitalism's superiority may need to be reconsidered in light of actual results for ordinary citizens.
6. The democratization of investing through new structures like SPACs and the accessibility of markets has created a situation where the distinction between legitimate investment vehicles and pyramid schemes has become uncomfortably narrow. The entire system increasingly relies on later investors buying out earlier investors at higher valuations, with the public markets serving as the final exit for private investors to realize gains. This raises uncomfortable questions about whether the fundamental structure of modern capitalism differs meaningfully from the Bernie Madoff scheme that collapsed fifteen years ago.
7. The restaurant industry and Main Street businesses represent a parallel economy that operates on completely different principles than Silicon Valley startups, yet investment vehicles are increasingly trying to treat them as comparable assets. Liberty Mutual investing three hundred twenty million dollars in restaurant food credits represents the financialization of everything, where even meals become tradable assets divorced from the underlying business reality. This demonstrates how the investment world is desperately seeking returns in increasingly exotic and risky categories as traditional distinctions break down an...

Episode transcript
Voice 100:15

Everyone is wrong about AI but if you know the history of technology, you can be wrong and still be right.

Voice 200:21

I know the history since I started in technology with the personal computer in 1980. So listen in while we explore what is true about AI.

Voice 100:30

welcome to the Stuart Squared podcast. we've got a little bit of an experiment going on, and if you would like to join that experiment, please DM me. Either me or my father. We've, got a guest who is a ghost right now who you can't see on the screen. and, you can't hear them right now, but at the end we're going to invite them in to do a Q and A. We'll keep it as a surprise. and so welcome to the Stuart Squared Podcast. We got a lot of things we're going to talk about, including private equity. I've been talking with my dad about how private equity has shifted a lot. I mean, and it goes back to 2020. Well, 2020. Well, 2008 goes back to 2008. 2020, and then 2022 and 2023 in just giant liquidity that enters into the market, which fuels pe, private equity. And then private equity used all that liquidity to buy everything up. and then now it seems to be breaking. So let's start there. Is it breaking?

Voice 201:26

Let me give you a little historical perspective. Wall street or finance used to be a lot simpler. And I started working in 75. So that's kind of my perspective in terms of the span of time. So, so back in the 1970s, and I was a journalist at the time, a trade journalist, I worked for Inc Magazine. It was my sort of defining experience. so I wasn't directly involved in tech at the time, and I wasn't at all involved in finance, but I was covering business. And there's a big change in the 70s that led to venture capital. And venture capital, prior to, kind of, when I got involved was kind of an informal business. funds were very small and it was off, way off to the side that, you know, some VCs and, you know, Kleiner Perkins started in 76, something like that, and NEA in 78. so this is when the venture capital firms were being formed. And the big change was there was a rule change, and this is not legislation, that allowed pension funds to begin investing in risky alternative. prior to that, they were not allowed. and, so that's when venture capital started to become bigger, which ultimately got to 99 billions instead of billions. And so There used to be venture capital and kind of everything else, real estate, et cetera, stocks, and, but then it started to fill in. and the sort of first instance of filling in was hedge funds. I think that came first and then private equity. And private equity was very broad and kind of generally speaking meant that the investor was investing in existing companies rather than new ones. And and then that sort of split up into multiple different kinds of private equity. Some that were oriented towards buying whole companies, turning them around, buying trouble companies and turning them around, public or private. and and then there's kind of this differentiation, this happened after the year 2000, where there became a distinction between private equity and growth equity. And growth equity is more like venture capital but for more mature companies. and still the focus was on growing value of your investment rather than converting it from one thing to another. so anyway, all this stuff's happened so there's a lot of nuance is basically what I'm saying, on the road. So now this is the thing you're referring to is private equity has bought a lot of companies. And I read an article in the New York Times said it's over 36,000 companies now, which seems like a huge number. And I, you know, I don't have any context for that. But you know, public companies, I think there's like a couple thousand at least in the US that in private equity, 36,000, that's like a lot of companies. and a lot of what's going on now is kind of in reaction to what's going on in the public markets. And so one distinction that's going on right now is that SPACs are back. Oh no. Being a special purpose acquisition company, as you set up a company to go buy one and turn it into a public company. And that got a really bad reputation five plus years ago because there was a lot of junk spiked. and virtually some majority of them ultimately failed as an investment. and some very small percentage of them managed to succeed going through the SPAC process. Now SPACs are backed with the idea that you don't do junk. if it's a good quality company, it can't get private equity because they're called jammed up or can't go public themselves because it's not good enough. Given in the world of SpaceX and potentially anthropic, et cetera, where you really have to be doing trillions of dollars as opposed to value other than billions not to mention millions. So if, you know there's a sort of spread out there and only really highly visible, very profitable or fast growing companies can go public through the normal processes. SPAC has turned back into an alternative way to get public. so anyway, I'm sort of wrong rambling.

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