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Episode #61: Powering the Machine: Altman, Milei, and the Energy Behind AI’s Future

Episode #61 · October 30, 2025 · 47 min

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About this episode

In this episode of Stewart Squared, Stewart Alsop III talks with his father, Stewart Alsop II, about Sam Altman’s $25 billion plan to build OpenAI data centers in Patagonia and how it connects to a broader U.S.–Argentina currency swap and the shifting landscape of AI geopolitics. Together, they unpack what this means for energy demand, chip supply, and U.S. influence abroad, drawing parallels to past tech overbuilds like the 1990s dark fiber boom. The conversation moves from the logistics of powering massive AI infrastructure to the rise of robotics and “physical AI,” including Stewart II’s hands-on look at the Unitree robot and his investment in Chef Robotics. For listeners interested in deeper coverage of these stories, check out Stewart Alsop III’s AI Whispers report mentioned in the show.

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Timestamps

00:00 – Stewart Alsop III opens with news of Sam Altman’s $25B OpenAI data center plan in Patagonia, tied to a U.S.–Argentina $20B currency swap and Trump’s backing of Milei.
05:00 – They unpack Argentina’s political turmoil, corruption scandals, and the U.S. effort to counter China’s influence over lithium and rare earths.
10:00 – Discussion turns to AI infrastructure logistics, how data centers need massive power, and Altman’s ties to U.S. energy interests, including solar, nuclear, and SMR reactors.
15:00 – Stewart II compares this boom to the 1990s dark fiber overbuild, warning of overcapacity and shifting ownership in infrastructure cycles.
20:00 – They analyze OpenAI’s 800M users, inference costs, and Sora’s energy demand, considering how infrastructure strain shapes AI access.
25:00 – The talk shifts to Unitree robots, physical AI, and Stewart II’s investment in Chef Robotics, linking automation to industrial change.
30:00 – Closing with reflections on distributed systems, uptime, Google’s architecture, and the evolution from AltaVista to TikTok as symbols of scalable intelligence.

Key Insights

  1. AI expansion is reshaping geopolitics. Stewart Alsop III and Stewart Alsop II frame Sam Altman’s $25 billion OpenAI data center project in Patagonia as more than a business move—it’s a geopolitical play. By pairing it with a U.S.–Argentina $20 billion currency swap, the initiative strengthens U.S. influence in South America while countering China’s earlier economic foothold through currency deals and lithium investments.
  2. Energy is the new frontier for AI infrastructure. The conversation underscores that AI growth isn’t limited by hardware alone but by power. Data centers require enormous, stable energy supplies, and Altman’s reported interest in solar, battery storage, and small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) reflects how energy independence has become central to national AI strategies.
  3. Overbuilding echoes the dot-com era. Stewart II draws parallels to the 1990s dark fiber boom, when telecom firms massively overbuilt capacity that sat unused for years. The hosts suggest today’s $400-billion-plus data center race—by OpenAI, Microsoft, Oracle, and others—may follow a similar arc, where hype precedes utility and ownership eventually shifts to new players.
  4. Chip scarcity defines the AI arms race. They emphasize how Nvidia’s limited GPU supply and OpenAI’s deal with AMD to secure more chips illustrate the bottlenecks in AI scalability. Control over advanced semiconductors now carries the same strategic weight as oil once did.
  5. Inference cost and access inequality. With OpenAI serving roughly 800 million users but only 20 million paid, the discussion highlights how computational costs shape user experience. Free users get constrained performance because inference—running models at scale—consumes vast, expensive compute power.
  6. Physical AI remains in its infancy. Stewart II’s firsthand experience with the Unitree robot shows how humanoid robotics are still more experimental than autonomous. Yet, his investment in Chef Robotics signals that real commercial progress is happening in less glamorous, industrial automation.
  7. Distributed systems are the hidden backbone of AI. The pair close by tracing the lineage from Google’s early distributed architecture to today’s global platforms like TikTok and Instagram. These systems represent decades of evolution toward high-availability computing—proof that scaling intelligence depends as much on resilient infrastructure as on smarter models.
Episode transcript
Stewart Alsop III00:06

Everyone is wrong about AI, but if you know the history of technology, you can be wrong and still be right.

Stewart Alsop II00:13

I know the history of technology since I started with the personal computer in 1980. So listen in while we explore what is right about AI.

Stewart Alsop III00:25

Welcome to the Stuart Squared podcast. I have no idea what we're going to talk about, but I'm sure it'll come up the big news and what I'm going to do. My High signal post tomorrow on related to the country that I'm currently living in, is that Sam Altman took the opportunity to have the COVID of a giant $20 billion currency swap to Argentina and then said, we'll invest $25 billion into building data centers in Patagonia. So they're now building 20, they're investing 25 billion. Now that the US government has made it extremely clear that they are willing to do anything they want to secure the Argentine political situation, which was a big surprise for me because I thought they would wait until after the midterm elections to see who won. But they're like full support. They are. They are now

Stewart Alsop II01:22

the day straight for me. Trump's, I think, put up 20 billion to help Argentina deal with its liquidity problem, and that helps me potentially get reelected. Is that what you're talking about? Yes, I was.

Stewart Alsop III01:41

Yeah, I'll explain it. It might be confusing for the listeners as well. So there have been two major scandals for the Malay administration. The first one was a scandal involving the Libra coin, which was a cryptocurrency that basically brought. It was the first mistake that the Malay administration made. The second one was his sis. His sister was caught on. Is somebody talking about. His sister was caught on tape giving bribes. That last one was the last straw for the Argentine population, who have dealt with a lot of corruption over the years. And so they basically just. And then they lost the midterm. They lost the midterm elections in the largest province of Buenos Aires. And it's a staggered election. So they did that one. That. And that one's like a bellwether for how the elections coming up later this month are. So that set off a chain of events where people started losing faith in the MLA as a contender. And so. Which set off currency problems. Then US Secretary of the Treasury Basant and Trump both said, you know what? We are going to support Argentina in whatever way that they want, because the other important factor is that China had done a currency swap back in many years ago, back when. When Argentina was getting closer to China. And Argentine has lithium, Argentine has Rare earth minerals. And so the US Is basically taking this as an opportunity to not only do a currency swap, which I went and looked up what that is, but also to directly buy Argentine pesos, which is not normal. The United States has only done that a few times. All of that is now and then related to that. The AI relationship is that there's an investment scheme that Malay has allowed which is if. As if. As long as you invest 150, more than $150 million in the R I G I, you get certain tax benefits, all these different things. Sam Altman took the opportunity of having full US Support for Malay to do a deal with Malay to set up Data centers for $25 billion in Patagonia, probably with all the cold weather, and set up data centers. And I think that's. I haven't gone into it. I'm going to go into it tomorrow for our report to AI Whisperers. And if any of the listeners want that, please send me a dm.

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