Crazy Wisdom
Episode #497: The Demiurge, the Divine, and the Data: Rethinking God in the Age of AI
- AI & Agents
- Consciousness & Philosophy
- faith
- belief
- truth
- perception
- God
- creator
- Christianity
- Jesus
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Links mentioned: Map of Consciousness – David R. Hawkins, A Course in Miracles.
Timestamps
00:00 Stewart Alsop and Sam Barber open with reflections on faith vs belief, truth, and how knowing feels beyond words.
05:00 They explore contextualizing God, religious dogma, and demons through the lens of vibration and David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness.
10:00 Sam contrasts science and spirituality, the left and right brain, and how language limits spiritual understanding.
15:00 They discuss AI as a mirror for consciousness, scriptures, and how truth transcends religion.
20:00 The talk moves to oneness, the Son of God, and the illusion of separation described in A Course in Miracles.
25:00 Sam shares insights on mind, dimensions, and free will, linking astral and mental realms.
30:00 He recounts a vivid spiritual crisis and exorcism-like experience, exploring fear and release.
35:00 The dialogue shifts to the demonic, secularism, and how psychology reframes spirit.
40:00 They discuss the demiurge, energy farming, and vibrational control through fear.
45:00 Questions of death, reincarnation, and simulation arise, touching angelic evolution.
50:00 Stewart and Sam close with non-duality, love, and consciousness as unity, returning to truth beyond form.
Key Insights
- Faith and belief are not the same. Stewart and Sam open by exploring how belief is a mental structure shaped by conditioning, while faith is a direct inner knowing that transcends logic. Faith is felt, not argued — it’s the vibration of truth beyond words or doctrine.
- God is not a concept but a living presence. Both reflect on the limits of religion in capturing what “God” truly means. Sam describes feeling uneasy with the word because it’s been misused, while Stewart connects with Christianity not through dogma but through the experiential sense of divine love that Jesus embodied.
- Vibration determines reality. Drawing from David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness, Sam explains how emotional frequency shapes perception. Living below the threshold of 200 keeps one trapped in fear and materialism, while frequencies of love and peace open access to higher awareness and spiritual freedom.
- Scientism is not science. Stewart critiques the modern tendency to worship rationality, calling scientism a new religion that denies subjective truth. Both agree that true science and true spirituality are complementary — one explores the outer world, the other the inner.
- The illusion of separation sustains suffering. The pair discuss how identifying with the mind creates an illusion of division between self and source. Sam describes separation as forgetting spirit and mistaking thoughts for identity, while Stewart links reconnection to the experience of unity consciousness.
- Darkness, demons, and the demiurge reflect inverted consciousness. Sam shares a personal account of what felt like an exorcism, using it to explore how low-frequency energies or “demonic processes” can influence humans. They connect this to the Gnostic idea of the demiurge — a false creator that feeds on fear and ignorance.
- We are in a training ground for higher realms. The episode closes with the idea that human life is a kind of spiritual simulation — an “angelic apprenticeship.” Through cycles of suffering, awakening, and remembrance, consciousness learns to return to love, which both see as the highest frequency and the true nature of God.
Episode transcript
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Welcome to the Crazy Wisdom Podcast. I've got Sam Barber here, and we had some recording before, but Riverside failed us. But now we're back again. It's all going to work. And welcome to the show. Thank you for coming on.
Cheers. How do we do an introduction two times in a row? What were we talking about before?
Well, no, we're in such a good thread about spiritual truth and about perception and truth that you can't. There's no reason to defend truth. It's like you just know it. And this really relates to a lot of things that I think about and I actually tweeted about yesterday, which is there's faith and then there's belief and faith. It's just like a lot of people confuse faith and belief, but belief is like a structure that. That's programmed on perception. But faith is like knowledge and not propositional knowledge, not facts, but like you know it, you know, you know when something's true. And that's what you're saying.
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