Stewart Squared
Episode #30: From InfoWorld to x.com: The Patterns That Repeat
- AI & Agents
- Editing
- getting fired
- Steve Jobs
- *Inc.* Magazine
- Apple II
- VisiCalc
- personal computing
- Milt Stewart
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About this episode
Welcome to Stewart Squared podcast with the two Stewart Alsops. In this episode, the conversation winds through a rich mix of personal history, editorial philosophy, and the evolution of tech—from getting fired (twice) to putting Steve Jobs on the cover of Inc. in 1981, from the impact of VisiCalc on Apple II adoption to the deeper meaning of what it means to be an editor. Alongside reflections on the newsletter era, the internet boom, and the looming AI shift, there’s a core thread about editing as a form of pattern recognition and meaning-making.
Timestamps
00:00 Welcome to the Stewart Squared Podcast
00:21 Writing a Book with AI
00:57 First Time Getting Fired
02:12 Conflict at Bank Magazine
04:43 Steve Jobs and the Apple II
10:40 Transition to Boston Computer Society
15:06 Starting a Newsletter
19:06 The Role of an Editor
25:20 Discovering Personal Computers
27:25 The Early Days of Apple II
28:11 The Magic of Spreadsheets
29:20 AI and Business: A Modern Parallel
31:42 The Rise and Fall of Tech Giants
34:56 The Dot-Com Boom and Bust
43:16 The Evolution of Online Banking
48:06 The Future of AI and Technology
52:12 Conclusion and Upcoming Topics
Key Insights
- Getting fired can be formative, not just traumatic: The episode opens with a reflection on the first time Stewart Alsop was fired, tracing how a power struggle with an inexperienced editor-in-chief led to his dismissal from Inc. Magazine. Rather than framing it solely as a failure, he acknowledges how it pushed him toward more independent paths, including editing a user group magazine for free and eventually launching his own influential newsletter. The act of being fired becomes a recurring milestone that reorients his career.
- Editing is about structure, clarity, and coherence at multiple levels: Stewart distinguishes between different kinds of editing—line editing, copy editing, and the editorial vision that shapes an entire publication. He credits a mentor at Marine Business magazine for teaching him foundational principles: every article needs a premise, development, and conclusion. These ideas anchor the episode’s broader conversation about what editing means, especially as they consider how to transform podcast transcripts into a book.
- VisiCalc transformed the personal computer from hobbyist gadget to business tool: The story of how business people began taking personal computing seriously centers on the spreadsheet. VisiCalc, running on the Apple II, created a breakthrough moment because it solved a real problem for professionals. Stewart recalls buying an Apple II, struggling to set it up, and then being captivated by the power and immediacy of the software—a turning point not just for him but for the industry.
- Newsletters became a medium for synthesis and pattern recognition: After his second firing, this time from InfoWorld, Stewart decided he was done working for others. Inspired by Ben Rosen and later Esther Dyson, he launched his own newsletter to track trends in tech. This format allowed him to highlight weak signals, identify inflection points, and say things others weren’t yet seeing. Pattern recognition became not only a skill but a way of establishing voice and authority.
- Much of the AI hype echoes the dot-com boom, but with faster cycles: Drawing on past experience, Stewart compares today’s AI investment frenzy to the speculative fervor of the late '90s internet bubble. He notes how large sums of money are pouring into companies, many of which may not survive. The key difference, perhaps, is the acceleration—developments like DeepSeek’s low-cost LLM could rapidly undercut many players, triggering what he calls an “AI apocalypse.”
- Protocols, not platforms, may be the real legacy of AI and internet revolutions: Stewart emphasizes how lasting impact often lies not in individual companies but in underlying infrastructure. The protocols established during the internet’s early years—HTTP, domains, security layers—continue to define it. Similarly, he predicts AI will leave behind layers like markdown, JSON, and new personal-device-level architectures that quietly shape future interaction, regardless of which companies survive.
- The editor’s job is to see things before others do and say them clearly: Whether in print, newsletters, or now AI-facilitated writing, Stewart frames editing as the disciplined practice of saying what others are only beginning to sense. His credibility was built not on data alone but on intuition grounded in experience, allowing him to make bold claims that time later affirmed. Editing, then, becomes both a craft and a mode of perception—shaping not just texts but how trends are named and understood.
Episode transcript
Hello, and welcome to Stuart Squared, where the younger generation me, the millennial, interviews the older generation, the baby boomer, about the history of technology from PCs to AI. The millennial is Stuart Alsop III. Me, born in 1985, and the baby
boomer is Stuart Alsop II, born in 1952. I'm the millennial, and I'm the foreign.
To the Stewart Squared podcast, which I have already introed before, if you're listening to this on the audio, although I just realized on the YouTube they don't get that intro. So welcome to the show. We'll be talking about a bunch of different stuff. I guess we can. Can we share what we're working on together?
So we're writing a book together with the help of AI and actually recently learned that the key distinction, I think, in a copyright case is that when you're working with AI, if you don't change anything, then there's no extra copyright, but only if you actually change the initial stuff, which is how we're going to use the AI to write this actual book is that we'll get the AI to write the first draft, and then you, as an editor, will go in and edit it, and I will learn how to edit in the process. Which actually brings us to the theme of investigation that I want to start with this, which is your first getting fired. I have heard so many times you say that you got fired, but I don't think I've actually ever really gone into what it was like when you got fired. So what happened?
Your first full transcript is free. After that, an email opens every transcript in the index — a list of readers we can write to, not a guest book.